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πŸŽ―πŸ’° Short Straddle Selling – Patience Beats the Noise :(A Case Study from a Live Chart)

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  • SANTANU BEZ Offline
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    (A Case Study from a Live Chart)

    Option selling is not just about numbers β€” it’s about holding your ground when the market tries to shake you out.
    In this study, we’ll dissect a real chart with marked Fear Traps and Patience Pays zones to understand how conviction and structure create long-standing winners.


    πŸ–Ό The Chart at a Glance

    • Red Shaded Areas = Fear Trap
      Short-lived spikes designed to create emotional panic.
    • Green Shaded Areas = Patience Pays
      Zones where holding the position led to significant option premium decay.

    1️⃣ Understanding the Market’s β€œFear Script”

    a. Fear Trap #1

    πŸ“ Location: Red-circled spike after entry.

    • What Happened: The market made a sudden upward push, breaking short-term highs.
    • Psychological Attack: It tempts sellers to believe a breakout is coming, making them close early.
    • Reality: Spike failed to sustain, and prices reverted back into decay zone.

    b. Fear Trap #2

    πŸ“ Location: Red-circled spike.

    • What Happened: After a minor downtrend, market faked a recovery.
    • Psychological Attack: Traders who survived the first trap think, β€œThis is the real reversal.”
    • Reality: It was a liquidity grab before another leg down.

    2️⃣ The Power of Patience & Conviction

    a. Patience Pays Zone #1

    • Setup: After initial noise, market settled below key pivot lines.
    • Why Hold: Price was below invalidation level, and time decay was accelerating.
    • Result: Options lost value steadily even without huge directional moves.

    b. Patience Pays Zone #2

    • Setup: Post second fear trap, price structure aligned with your bias and VWAP acted as a ceiling.
    • Why Hold: Consistent rejection at resistance confirmed sellers in control.
    • Result: Massive premium collapse into the close.

    3️⃣ The Technical Logic Behind the Hold

    Element Role in Decision
    VWAP Served as dynamic SL. Price staying below confirmed no reversal.
    Pivot Levels Helped identify where fake breakouts might fail.
    Option Premium Behavior Time decay was visibly accelerating, signaling reward for holding.
    Market Structure Lower highs and lower lows showed sellers still active despite spikes.

    4️⃣ Lessons for Freshers

    Mistake to Avoid Better Approach
    Exiting at first spike Wait for SL/invalidation to hit before acting
    Chasing reversal after noise Let price confirm before switching bias
    Over-analyzing after entry Trust pre-trade analysis; monitor only key levels
    Ignoring decay factor Remember β€” in selling, sideways-to-down is your friend

    πŸ† Final Takeaway

    Option selling rewards the trader who can see beyond the noise.
    If your entry is based on sound structure, and you have a clear invalidation level, then patience becomes your profit engine.
    Noise is inevitable β€” but decay is inevitable in your favor if the structure holds.


    Santanu Bez | NIFTY Straddle Trader βš–οΈ | P&F Chartist πŸ“ˆ |
    Disciple of AP Sir πŸ™ | Poet ✍️ | Ancient Wisdom Seeker πŸ“š | Soul-Tech Thinker 🌌
    "Discipline is the real alpha. Structure is my silence. Execution is my poetry."

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    @SANTANU-BEZ you have mentioned these 2 things:

    VWAP Served as dynamic SL. Price staying below confirmed no reversal.
    Exiting at first spike Wait for SL/invalidation to hit before acting
    But in reality, price crossed above the VWAP in both the situations. Isn't this contradictory?

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    @Harjjap Singh Ssaini Got it βœ…
    You basically want the comparison of Dynamic SL vs Entry After SL, but also showing that when the market is too noisy, it’s better to switch your SL method to Supertrend-based instead of VWAP-based, since VWAP can whipsaw you in choppy moves.

    Here’s the refined explanation:


    Dynamic SL vs Entry After SL (with Supertrend Twist)

    1. Dynamic SL πŸ“ˆ

    • SL changes with market movement (trailing).

    • Normally, you might trail using VWAP, ATR, or pivots.

    • But in noisy markets (lots of wicks, sideways chop):

      • Switch to Supertrend-based SL β†’ It filters out small whipsaws better than VWAP.
      • Supertrend smooths price action using ATR + trend direction.
      • This keeps you in the trade longer while avoiding fake VWAP breaks.

    Example:

    • Short NIFTY 23,000 CE at β‚Ή100.
    • SL trails below Supertrend line (e.g., β‚Ή112).
    • Price spikes but stays under Supertrend β†’ no exit.
    • Big decay captured despite multiple VWAP whipsaws.

    2. Entry After SL πŸ”„

    • You take a planned re-entry after your SL is hit, if the setup returns.

    • Supertrend can also help here:

      • Wait until price comes back inside Supertrend trend direction before re-entering.
      • Avoids immediate revenge trades after a false breakout.

    Example:

    • Short at β‚Ή100, VWAP SL hit at β‚Ή115.
    • Price jumps, then falls below Supertrend again.
    • Re-enter short at β‚Ή112 with fresh SL at Supertrend level.

    Comparison Table (VWAP vs Supertrend in Noisy Conditions)

    Feature VWAP SL 🏦 Supertrend SL πŸ“Š
    Best For Trend + institutional bias days Noisy / choppy days
    Weakness Frequent whipsaws in sideways May delay exits in fast reversals
    SL Movement Follows intraday mean price Follows ATR-adjusted trend line
    Psychology Impact Can frustrate with false exits Keeps confidence by avoiding noise
    Re-entry Filter Needs extra confirmation Supertrend change acts as filter

    πŸ’‘ Pro Seller’s Formula:

    • Trend Day β†’ VWAP trailing SL (catches strong moves early).
    • Noisy Day β†’ Supertrend trailing SL (filters false moves).
    • Always define pre-planned re-entry conditionsβ€”never improvise after a stop-out.

    Santanu Bez | NIFTY Straddle Trader βš–οΈ | P&F Chartist πŸ“ˆ |
    Disciple of AP Sir πŸ™ | Poet ✍️ | Ancient Wisdom Seeker πŸ“š | Soul-Tech Thinker 🌌
    "Discipline is the real alpha. Structure is my silence. Execution is my poetry."

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    replied to Harjjap Singh Ssaini on last edited by
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    @Harjjap Singh Ssaini 7e51c353-8ca4-4819-9372-41e96cbdc955-image.png another exaple of today

    Santanu Bez | NIFTY Straddle Trader βš–οΈ | P&F Chartist πŸ“ˆ |
    Disciple of AP Sir πŸ™ | Poet ✍️ | Ancient Wisdom Seeker πŸ“š | Soul-Tech Thinker 🌌
    "Discipline is the real alpha. Structure is my silence. Execution is my poetry."

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    @SANTANU BEZ said in πŸŽ―πŸ’° Short Straddle Selling – Patience Beats the Noise :(A Case Study from a Live Chart):

    But in noisy markets (lots of wicks, sideways chop):

    Switch to Supertrend-based SL β†’ It filters out small whipsaws better than VWAP.
    Supertrend smooths price action using ATR + trend direction.
    This keeps you in the trade longer while avoiding fake VWAP breaks.

    @SANTANU-BEZ -> Got it. But we can't identify beforehand if the market today is going to be choppy or not. How do you decide this? Let's say SL is hit for vwap the first time (No follow through came). Second time follow through also came but didn't survive. So, do you wait for the followthrough? If followthrough comes after SL is hit the first time, then, exit, otherwise make supertrend the dynamic SL to be honored.

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    @Harjjap Singh Ssaini https://forum.definedgesecurities.com/topic/4081/mastering-nifty-50-intraday-moves-a-weighted-approach-to-reading-market-dynamics/5 it can help

    Santanu Bez | NIFTY Straddle Trader βš–οΈ | P&F Chartist πŸ“ˆ |
    Disciple of AP Sir πŸ™ | Poet ✍️ | Ancient Wisdom Seeker πŸ“š | Soul-Tech Thinker 🌌
    "Discipline is the real alpha. Structure is my silence. Execution is my poetry."

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    @SANTANU-BEZ ok, so in strong up/down trend i.e. financials, reliance, IT - all up/down together - using vwap, otherwise supertrend as trailing SL. Is my understanding correct?

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